A Grumble for Elementor

John
Does anyone think Elementor is bad for Search Engine Optimization (SEO). I think it slows websites down and adds unnecessary code. WordPress sites are code heavy as they are.
I bring this up because the web designer in our little firm is very fond of Elementor and is using it on many of our new sites. I need a rational argument against. Anyone have one?
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Eugene
300+ sites going strong with Beaver Builder which i imagine is just as bad as Elementor. The agility of the page builder heavily outweighs the pagespeed argument which is in our "perfectionist" minds most of the time. Most of the competitors have far slower sites as it is, and as long as you concentrate on all the other 150 SEO factors thr speed won't be the factor that brings you down. Having said that its not hard to optimize these sites to be lightning fast. I use WP Astra and cached Cloudflare. The ROI brought from smashing out 50 sites or 50 pages heavily outweighs if i spent time on less "faster" sites/pages which took longer to build with manual code. Authority builders use Elelentor for all of their affiliate stuff for that exact reason.
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Foraday » Eugene
Good post! 👌🏻
Joseph » Eugene
I have 100+ Elementor websites which are optimized and load lightning fast as well as actively ranking. Most people in this post really have no idea what they're talking about.
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Eugene » Joseph
I guess it depends on how introvercial / business & sales minded people are. There is nothing wrong with being super anal about the tech code and site speed if that's your job in a company as a dev. But if your hustling, closing daily deals its hard to beat how quickly you can deploy shit with Elementor / beaver builder. Once you have your templates and layouts manually created in Elementor/BB with the mix of all-in-one-migration you can deploy sites in less than 2 hours sellable for $4-7k and slap on an SEO & ppc campaign. If you niche down to a specific industry and know the basics of sales…
John » Eugene
If they are spending days trying nail down a site to score 100 on the Page Speed test then they are focusing on the wrong things. As long as site speed isn't impacting the User Experience (UX) then there are bigger things to worry about. A page builder site created by an experienced SEO is always going to outrank a site created by a web designer using clean code IMHO.
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Tom
To answer your question, you can rank anything. Anything. If you do not have a developer, then something like Elementor, BB, etc are your only options outside of throwing a pre-made template up or using another service like SS/Wix.
I suspect that the web designer you speak of is more of a page builder than a web designer.
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Holgate » Tom
99% of vendors need to change their job title to a page builder then lol.
Tom
Someone recently posted a joke in another group.
It said, "If you throw a stone into a crowd, there is 20% probability that the stone will hit a website developer."
Some people interpreted the joke as that there are a lot of web developers and designers these days.
I interpreted it as there are a lot of people calling themselves website developers and designers these days.
Rohde » Holgate
Not everyone that designs websites using a builder doesn't discredit them as web designers.
Look, time is money, and if I can achieve a great UX design that I didn't have to hand code PHP and saved time then that's a win. Many "page builders" know HTML and other markup languages.
Let's not forget why we're in this industry.
Marketing…
Holgate » Rohde
I agree, I wasn't mocking them, I'm one of them. There's a place for both scenarios. In my line of work, I'm building between 30 and 50 websites a month between a team of 3!
For that scale, Elementor is perfect for me… if I was targeting high end clients, I'd aim to be a more boutique designer and would probably code only.
As long as we are all making a living and our clients are happy, then it's all good.

Roger
Page speed is great. But Elementor is not going to slow your site down to where it's unusable.
Just make sure images are optimized, render blocking scripts are dealt with properly and that unnecessary plugins aren't loading their scripts then you should be good to go.
I don't use Elementor but I have audited sites that do. Makes no difference.
I use page builders and they don't really make a difference for ranking.
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Globen
First, before we even get into Search Engine Optimization (SEO), remember that page builders were meant to address people who don't know how to code. I personally use Elementor and I think it's doing a mighty fine job (I know how to code a bit for personal use).
———— PERSONAL PREFERENCES ——————–
Some may find a certain page builder complicated some may don't, this is actually an important part leading to SEO related decisions.
One may say that a certain page builder is slowing a site down, another may say it's not.
It's totally about personal preference and there's no winning that debate for anyone. It's a user's preference.
————-SITE SPEED————————
As for site speed, there are a lot of factors involved not just the page builder. That can be any of the following (just to name a few):
1. Hosting service
2. Plugins
3. Scripts
4. Images
5. Internet connection (some countries have speed in KBs not MBs)
6. Content Management System (cms)
You can always learn speed optimization manually, via a plugin or whatever means necessary to speed it up.
If you can't speed it up via plugins (because that's all you know for now) then it's not right to jump to a conclusion that it's slow.
Besides, Elementor even have demo pages that are really fast. It's the consumer buying Elementor who has issues on speed. Get a developer or learn to code manually.
—————-SEO CONCERNS————————-
As for SEO, it's quite not right to blame low rankings or failed strategies on a page builder. I'm not saying you said that, but just to be clear, SEO is a strategy base campaign and it has many departments that have a lot of concerns in itself outside design and speed.
If you have poor SEO strategies and implementations, it won't save your site from dropping even if it loads below 1 second.

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Eric
So, what's the closest "drag & drop" builder to Elementor that has "code cleanness" closest to Oxygen?
1) This answer will win the trophy for this thread (no point discussing how bad or good one or the other is…we all know that "easy editor" usually comes with more bloated code) 🙂
2) All tips to "optimize the ***" out of Elemntor install speed will win the "prize of the thread" as well 😎
Atif
I have tested themes and builders like WP bakery, Elementor etc. Honestly I ended up Using Gutenberg which previously I hated, combined with one of the best Gutenberg super easy theme. Pagespeed is 95 on Mobile and Desktop even internal Pages. It has images etc. And GTMETRIX Showing 0.8sec load time 😊 hope it helps. Cheers
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Bogdan
There is no score for speed in rankings, nor a prize if you get 100/100. For now at least, if the site is awfully slow you can be penalized by Google, that's all. So you better think of your visitors, UX and bounce rate. Now, the extra code added by a builder, is just text, plain and simple text

Kristine » Bogdan
Page speed is a ranking factor, page speed scores are not b
Bogdan » Kristine
Page speed is indeed a ranking factor, but how? are you getting "points" depending on your loading speed? Google says not. they say you can only receive a ranking "penalty" if your site is really, really slow. is true, I don't have the research to point to, but I usually don't grow my opinions based on what people say or what some journals are posting about
Kristine » Bogdan
So if you receive devaluations for having a slow site and your site improves what do you think happens? 🙂
And they have not said you can only get a devaluation in anything I have read.
I grow my opinions on recovering sites.
Page speed is a huge thing.
Bogdan » Kristine
Loading speed is always among the top 3 things I do on a website, and I never let one without trying to improve it somehow more than 3 months, but my goal is to increase my rankings indirectly, especially by lowering the bounce back to SERP rate. Otherwise…
"Today we're announcing that starting in July 2018, page speed will be a ranking factor for mobile searches.
The "Speed Update," as we're calling it, will only affect pages that deliver the slowest experience to users and will only affect a small percentage of queries."
Google Webmaster Central Blog, Wednesday, January 17, 2018 (https://developers.google.com/search/blog/2018/01/using-page-speed-in-mobile-search)
Using page speed in mobile search ranking
Kristine » Bogdan
They lie — go figure and that was about the rollout not how it has been going forward — trust me it is a big thing and like i said if you wee devalued then you get a boost when you fix it.
Bogdan » Kristine
I have my opinion, I stick to it, you have an opinion – I respect it. who's right.. there are no conclusive tests to prove anything. honestly, I also think like you lots and lots of time, so the chance of you being right is quite strong. on the technical, when you talk about a boost, you're thinking of a scenario like "I was #6, then a speed penalty kicked in and I went to #90. after I fixed my speed, I got back up, but not to #6 where I was, but to #4"?
Tom
Bogdan is correct.

Jordan
Depends on your goal and on what's important in each situation. E.G, in a research document, Google said "53% of mobile site users leave a page that takes longer than three seconds to load." So, if you were to decide, "I want my pages to load in under 3 seconds on a 3G connection…" then you *might* not want to use a page builder (it would depend on whether you can achieve your goal with it, or not…) —— in other situations, you won't care about that, and will be happy with 3 seconds load time on a cable connection (which page builders can more easily achieve.) As with all questions in life… it depends 🙂

Kevin
As a dev – I can't imagine coding pages that take anywhere close to three seconds to load. That's a lifetime and I'm usually gone before then in my own personal surfing.
Jordan » Kevin
Right. For you, it is inconceivable to do that. I was astonished to read in a Google paper, that "The average time it takes to fully load a mobile landing page is 22 seconds, according to a new analysis." This is from data of users on 3G connection (1.6Mbps download speed.) So, again… if people speed test their pages against that connection, and want to be < 3 seconds, they may need to rethink their approach. But only *if they want to or care to* (there are other things to care about in life…) 🙂
Kevin
For sure on more to life 🤓 I'd guess the "fully load" metric isn't so important, but time-to-first-render.

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