Ok, so I am reading that guest posts residing (as they would) on sub-pages of a domain, pass little to no pagerank (PR), because there will (99% of the time) be no, or very few, links from other domains which point to the guest post page. Therefore, it cant pass much PR to the target domain.
Whereas, a link present on the root page of a domain, will pass PR to its target, because typically, the root page of a domain has the most PR to pass – not always – but most often.
I have noticed myself that links placed on an already indexed page which has PR to pass (IE a home page / root page) will boost the target page immediately the link is found and indexed by google. This has just been confirmed by a friend on here.
I'm now left thinking about the length of time a link on a new sub-page (a new guest post for example) is going to take before it passes *anything* to its target.
If the new page, with the new link on it, is found. First of all, it is going to take x amount of time before the new page is allocated any juice from the domain it sits on – via the domains internal linking structure.
So my question is this really….
Is the process of internal PR allocation to new pages a real-time function (as the passing of already existing PR to a target appears to be). Or, is the process of internal PR allocation to new pages a scheduled function, meaning that we have a longer wait to see a result from a link on a new page, than we do with a link from an existing (PR already allocated) page.
Note I am using PR – as we all know what I mean by this.
What thinks people?
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The toolbar PR used to be updated couple of times per year. But I'm not sure if Google necessarily need 5-6 months to do that.
Most likely new page gets some juice as soon as Google finds out the internal links within the domain or external backlinks.
At least, that's what I'm seeing
No they don't need 6 months that's for sure. Yes "toolbar" – not relevant at all. PR (by some measure) still highly relevant but not shown anywhere by google.
Yes – I also believe that the passing of internal PR is real-time – but this also means that my 5 new links to my domain are 100% useless.
So, you're right, Mark. It doesn't pass as much juice as you might think. There is a trust factor attached with the domain that Google also considers. That's to determine if the is coming from a reputable source or not.
However, we're not here to rank websites, we're here to rank web pages.
Each page stands on its own merits.
So if you used external sources to point links back to the guest post page, would then raise the value of the link.
Ideally, if that guest post page suddenly reached position 1 for a few terms, well, now suddenly that little link becomes something even greater.
If were able to build links to the guest post – why would I not just send them to the money page? Or shall I spam the guest post page to hell?
You wouldn't necessarily need to spam the guest post. I think a guy might wants to help keep a clean facility.
The other question, why not build all the additional links to your money site?
You want to control the optics of your website. The freer from spam the better.
This is where a link profile comes into play.
While you can spam the life out of a guest post, at the end of the day, you'd rather lose one link than one site.
The guest post acts as a buffer site. I've heard it as pillow sites, I use the term padded sites.
All meaning, you're keeping your money site safe from harm.
So, you'll create a guest post today, create 10 shady links to the guest posts over the course of the week.
And rinse and repeat that process, until your website is on page 1 position 1.
Then you do it every month or every other month just to stay there.
Mark » Morgan
OK, I am with this as its logical and straightforward np. All I need now is an actionable process for getting those 10 "shady" links – pleeeeassseee 🙂
So, what I like to do if I follow this plan of attack.
I would go, [Guest Post B – Guest Post A – Money Site]
Then I seek to make at least 10 working comments.
It may not seem like much, but it can make a difference.
I use this tool to help me with finding places to comment.
Backlink Search Tool
Mark » Morgan
You reckon comments actually help? I mean EVERYTHING I read says otherwise David. I mean EVERYTHING I read!!!
It's one part of my strategy. My own testing, I've found it to be just as paramount.
Again, it's not the only thing I do.
For example, I have a series of Web 20's I would launch out too as well, that would point back to Guest Post B.
Also, drop comments on Guest Post B.
One of the biggest hang-ups is that comment links don't provide as much juice as say a link from an article.
In fact, the way it tends to work, the first link in the article gets a lion share of the juice. That link gets a huge 32oz bottle of soda.
All other links get 12oz cans.
Comments, less than that.
It's just your using comments to hi-jack some of that juice for yourself.
So a lot of people think that comments are not worth the sip of water that it gives. I would agree with that had I not learned to change the narrative.
Once you know what Google wants, and know-how Google thinks. Then you'll find out that there are ways to get plenty more from comments.
Here's a freebie. I'll snatch 2 links from the same article.
1 that points to Guest Post B.
1 that points to Bitly. Where's Bitly pointing to? Guest Post B.
Just keep in mind of what comments are doing for that article you're writing on. Although you're wanting some small juice flowing your way, however, when you recognize that you can get more from comments because of its very nature, your mind starts to shape itself appropriately, and now you make comments nearly as valuable as an article link.
Now you don't have to use comments. That's totally up to you, I'm just running a logical scenario as to how I would beef up the Guest Post A so that it can move the needle for the money site. It's just once you realize what you can do with comments, the question is why not use it?
Mark » Morgan
Thanks David – let me draw a quick pic so I am certain I'm going to be doing it right.
Rightfully so. It's what I do.
This is going to be by far one of the best tips you'll get. Be your own marketer.
The crowd says, don't use comments. What do I do? Use them.
I use a lot of things the crowd says not to.
Not because I want to go against the grain, but what I found is. There are two reasons for the don't this way options.
1) and this is of a smaller percentage, it's because it's really lucrative and they really don't want anyone to swim in their waters.
2) The rest of the people tried it, they fall flat on their face and claim it doesn't work.
I just learned that you can make the letter B into a Z.
Making the effort from A to Z in the fewest steps possible.
Then once I have that I spam it like crazy.
Here's an example of crazy…
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Mark » Morgan
Don't worry – I am "on it" for a trial.
What I have done, top domain is mine. It has 3 green links pointing to its root page, and 2 red links pointing to two of its sub-pages. Each of these comes from a dofollow guest post with a relevant article, and each of those 5 pages which contain the guest posts are indexed in google.
None of those links moved the needle – AT ALL.
So as I understand, I am now to produce the tier 3 links at the bottom – in blue. These will be on domains located with the tool "back link search tool" as you have shown me.
Am I on the right tracks? (The qty of blue links – just showing 4 for the diagram – but can do more – but these will be links in comments, and they will naturally mostly be nofollow I am assuming)
You can do it across the board.
However, if you were to go spam crazy, I would do it to the ones in the red.
Again, comments can be supe'd up when done strategically.
Spam links are best used furthest from your website.
Having a health comment strategy will work in tiers 2 and 3.
Then guess what, why not juice the posts with your comments.
I'll often revisit the same page and make new comments to all the other tier 2 guest posts also. Again the key word here is strategy.
"Whereas, a link present on the root page of a domain" <– Also known as "homepage backlinks".
Google went after those with Penguin 1.0. They publicly confirmed that when they announced Penguin 2.0 a year later.
You could put a lot of guest posts on a subdomain and if you link to it properly from the root domain then the subdomain will get plenty of PageRank.
If the guest posts are crap (and 99% of them are) then they probably won't earn any links on their own.
It has nothing to do with where the post is published. It has everything to do with who is willing to link to the crap and how crappy it is.
And then, of course, Google is now on to the leased subdomain trick, too. So it remains to be seen how long that spam strategy will be favored by companies with big budgets.
Guest posts on a sub domain! I wonder if this approach would help a money site if instead of writing lots of content on the money site you used the sub-domain instead? With a
Link from the
Money site root to the sub-domain root but with each article linking back to the money site, or is this same as what you called leased sub-domains and if so what is Google's beef with this?
Martinez » Gail
A "leased" subdomain, as I understand it, is one where the outside company provides all the content with (presumably) calls to action for their products or services. I haven't looked closely at them and I am most certainly not the best person to discuss what all that entails.
Gail » Martinez
Mark » Martinez
By "leased subdomain" – do you mean "addon domains (as are defined/available under typical shared hosting accounts with cPanel?)
Also – whatever happened to internal PR? By this, I mean if a domain is a PR 7 (old school) or whatever equivalent it is these days under the hood, should my guest post on a sub-page of that domain not have its own PR to pass through to any site it links to? This is where I'm confused at the utter uselessness of guest posts on sub-pages – it seems like at some point the internal PR became non-passable to external domains?
Really confused about this to be honest.
Martinez » Mark
The examples I have seen are all about coupons. So say you run "SuperXCoupons.TLD" and you lease a subfolder or subdomain on "MajoeMediaSite.TLD".
Every document can pass PageRank-like value through its links. By "internal PR" I always meant whatever that value was that they were computing in various algorithms but not reporting. The toolbar PR number was always a proxy for the internal PR.
Mark » Martinez
So you may for example end up with moreatsuperx.majoemediasite.tld and the index page on moreatsuperx.majoemediasite.tld has a link on it to superxcoupons.tld
Mark » Martinez
First up – yes – every time I ever refer to PR, all I am doing is identifying that I am not referring to any "trumped up" value presented by some trumped up external provider.
Thus by PR – all I mean is "whatever Google passes via its own methods and calculations".
Martinez » Mark
No as I understand it, it's that the entire subfolder or subdomain is content provided by the outside company. It's probably pitched as a form of "native advertising" (in the original sense, like an advertorial in a magazine).
Mark » Martinez
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