Bharath I've noticed that it takes more time to proof read what Jarvis spits out than actually write content. It's got potential for sure. Just not right away. But in the group there seem to be people making a killing with it. Which makes me wonder, if may be there are parts that are good in the tool especially if you are using it for parts in long form post. In either case, proof reading rakes time. So doesn't make my life any easier. 💟👍🏽7
Mew ✍️👑 » Bharath I think people will share anything they can to make a dollar. 💟👍🏽3 Bharath » Mew I guess. Stopped believing in screen shots a while ago. But I used the tool for a short while. So first hand, it doesn't cut it for me. Lol. Mew ✍️👑 » Bharath I think it may be better than nothing, but for anyone with a 11th-grade writing level, it comes up awfully short. No disrespect to those who aren't writers, but it fails many conventions of what is considered good writing technique. Bharath » Mew This certainly seems like a constant problem. Seen it called out multiple times on factual info being misrepresented.
Mäkelä » Bharath I saw her post in the group, and tbh I found it kind of weird that she would publish something without checking facts. She claimed to be an author. Bharath » Mäkelä Yeah for an author she seems to have trusted a tool quite a bit. But I have seen this issues on incorrect factual info on multiple posts. As I said, proof reading takes a ton of time which kinda defies the purpose for me. May be once the tool matures I'd try it again. Mew ✍️👑 » Bharath Same issue…this Zoo was NOT opened 100 years ago lol.
🤭👍🏽2 Richelle 🎓🎩 As a user of Jarvis I am chiming in. I bought in about 3 months ago. There is a STEEP learning curve when learning how to communicate what you want with a bot. For this reason, they created recipes that users can load that has instructions and a list of commands. They also launched Bootcamp to teach people to use it the correct way. If you just ask it to write about XX without giving Jarvis any guidance you will get s**t for content that will not be worth a flip. Where I have used it… I load an article or website page with good quality content and I have Jarvis write up short summaries of the content I have provided for social posts, Google My Business (GMB) posts, etc. I have also used it to expand content. I put in the content I already have and ask Jarvis to write a summary about it. Again crap in – crap out… Quality Content in – something you can work with. Mew ✍️👑 » Richelle My beef is that it says it writes copy for you. Absolutely does not. It's supplemental at best. Richelle 🎓🎩 I agree and I believe that is where the confusion lies!! People expected one thing and got something less. As for the reviews, I am not sure. I didn't look into it deep enough. It does work for what I am using it for so whatever 🙂
Darren Looks like conversation AI been buying reviews off fiver 😂 🤭👍🏽2 Josh As a Jarvis Boss mode subscriber, I do think you get out what you feed it and following the training on how to use it effectively, plus the technology is in its infancy. It has came a long way in the last 6 months. Regardless of how it gets the content and predicts one word at a time (so we're told) there's no denying the combination of Jarvis and SurferSEO can create and rank articles quickly. Of which, they can be ran through a plagiarism checker if you wish. It is one of the best out there, I've tested quite a lot of the AI solutions out there. However, for what it's worth, they rebranded about a month ago and is now referred to as Jarvis and jarvis.ai
Mew ✍️👑 Rank articles, or rank them number one? And with human intervention, or without? Josh I'm a fan of your honesty, your group and what you do for the SEO community. So my comments are as follows, I've never personally ranked a blog post in the top position with or without Jarvis's help. Out of the three blogs I've actually published within the last seven days, one is 6th on page one for a keyword of little competition on a domain less than a month old. I've seen screenshots of people posting their ranking successes in the Jarvis group but I can not comment for them. I use Jarvis mainly for social media posts and everything it does, needs human intervention. I feel like they're pretty clear on that; It's a tool to aid the writing not a tool to do it for them. Mew ✍️👑 » Josh I appreciate your honesty, candor, and compliment, my friend. I agree it can help write copy, however, their own copy makes it seem as if they complete the task for you, and it feels misleading just based on their own verbiages. For me anyways, I can't speak for everyone.
Gregor I signed up because there was a hype over long form content. I chose 29$ package. No sign of long form, you can only get it if you pay 100$. Unsubscribed in a second and never used it. Misleading marketing if you ask me.
Mew ✍️👑 » Gregor Agreed!
Tandy The amount of times I've told the Jarvis fan boys that its terrible is unreal. You only have to read its output to understand its boring robotic text. There's just zero emotion. I don't know how people look at the output and think "Yeahhhhhh great money page content" The only time I ever use AI is to spit out a fact, and it's certainly not Jarvis that does it… its the worst AI of them all. 30% recurring commission for affiliates has worked wonders for them… Gregor » Mew Can we make a test? Make Jarvis write about Ljubljana ZOO. It's main ZOO in Slovenia, a country that 99.9999% of Americans don't know exist. #nooffense 😁 I haven't found a tool that would write good content about it. I have tried a few.
Mew ✍️👑 » Gregor Sure, one second Mew ✍️👑 » Gregor Intro paragraph recommendation. Its facts are all wrong. It was opened in 1949, which was not 100 years ago LOL
Gregor » Mew 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Gregor » Mew Ljubljana zoo doesn't have a polar bear, neither you can get there by a boat ride. I mean maybe, if it's raining for like 2 months straight without pause. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 🤭3 Richelle 🎓🎩 Here is what I got Slovenia's Ljubljana Zoo is home to over 1,000 animals from 134 different species. The zoo offers a variety of educational programs for children and adults alike that will teach you about the importance of protecting wildlife. Not only will a trip to this zoo make you feel closer to nature, but it'll also have you appreciating everything around us! You can even volunteer at the zoo and participate in some hands-on work with the animals. Richelle 🎓🎩 In Long Form I used the command >write a brief for the Ljubljana ZOO in Slovenia I didn't edit anything on this one. Kevin » Gregor The Ljubljana Zoo is a Slovenian zoo that opened in 1924. The zoo houses about 4000 animals representing over 1000 species, including many rare and endangered animal species from around the world. It is located on the outskirts of Ljubljana, capital city of Slovenia. The zoo has the following objectives: -To preserve and protect global biodiversity by selectively breeding rare or threatened species in captivity to maintain viable populations for future generations; -To provide opportunities for education and recreation consistent with the above objective; -To support conservation projects in situ or ex situ throughout the world; -To cooperate with zoos throughout Europe for scientific research, animal exchange, and better understanding of nature. The mission of the Ljubljana Zoo is to provide unique opportunities for recreation and education with consideration for the development, protection, breeding, exhibition and introduction into nature of rare or threatened species from around the world. The Ljubljana zoo has a 4-star rating (the highest) by the European Association of Zoos & Aquaria (EAZA), as well as a 4-star rating in research in animal biology by the EU's national member state associations. The Ljubljana zoo collaborates extensively with other zoos throughout Europe through EAZA and Europäisches Artenschutzprojekt (EUROPARC). It is also one of the few zoos that has managed to breed the vulnerable European bison, and it works on a number of conservation projects with local wildlife. The zoo was originally created as an educational/research facility by the Slovene Academy of Sciences and Arts in 1924, but was handed over to the City of Ljubljana as a gesture of appeasement after World War II. The name "Ljubljanski živalski vrt" means 'the Ljubljana Zoo'. In 2000 it became part of the organization Zavod ARS Zoologia, which also operates the brand new Adria Palace, one of Slovenia's most luxurious hotels. The majority shareholder is still the city council; however, since 2000 a substantial portion of the zoo is owned by the state. The zoo is not supported financially by the state, but instead derives its income from entrance fees and various sponsorships. Gregor Here is my try of a few tools: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16_u87W0zsRJSIQK1WLjAt154_meOo9I1mJwsxofn_Ng/edit Ljubjana ZOO Richelle 🎓🎩 » Gregor You got 19 and I got 134 different species. Looking at their website it is more than 19
Altman Jarvis isn't an SEO tool. Seeing Google on their homepage is odd and actually I see Shopify haha. I just posted this in the group. Curious if I get an answer.
Mew ✍️👑 » Altman Do you think most of it's users are not SEO users? Altman » Schieler Not that many. Some are trying to see if worth it. I am still testing Jarvis now… but SurfSEO is really what makes it possible. Jarvis is just a rambling bot that can help with creative flow. I find it helpful in looping in SurferSEO keywords faster is all. This way I don't have to think how to weave them in. But… not seeing a lot of SEO users in there really. Maybe a handful here and there. Mew ✍️👑 » Altman I ran a group poll last night here, and the majority of people in this group wanted to know about Jarvis. I think more SEO users use it than we may realize, as even people above have mentioned trying to use it to rank content. Altman » Schieler I have been testing since May 1. I have had really good results. But it's not what people think and my approach isn't to blindly let some bot ramble on. It's just a creative writing bot. Mäkelä I have been using Jarvis and other GPT-3/AI writing tools since February. The problem I see a lot is that people think they can just buy Jarvis and Surfer SEO, crank out some content, and start ranking. In most cases, there is not any strategy involved. These tools have their pros and cons, they can either speed up your process or make it slower – depends on how you use them. Mäkelä I'd say their ideal customer profile is not a person with great SEO knowledge or writing skills, but rather the opposite. Jarvis might look like the key to success to someone with bad writing skills, but there is so much more going on in the background you need to know.
Altman SurferSEO integration is what helped me. Jarvis isn't claiming to be an SEO tool.
Josh » Altman Just seen your post in the group 😂 Altman » Josh I couldn't resist… I mean.. I went to look at the logo's and yeah.. they don't make sense at all. Then the admin turned off commenting and gave that response like… "because"
Altman Well, that was interesting.. admin disable this post with in minutes. here is response on Logos "These symbols on sites are never clickable. It's to say that the company has used their product or that someone else has used the product for that company or platform. This is very common to find on websites and sales funnels." … you can quote them on your write up?
Mew ✍️👑 » Altman I sincerely doubt Google has used Jarvis Altman » Schieler Of course… there is no way. Was hoping for clarity, but didn't happen. Maybe the owner will respond, but not sure https://www.facebook.com/groups/181065463755479/posts/353692313159459 Schieler Here is reply from owner. Mew ✍️👑 » Altman Can we see where and how? Altman » Schieler I don't think so .. they just blocked the thread and are providing vague answers. So who knows. Oh well. I was curious as I was hoping for app integration etc. CopySmith does have a Shopify integration now, so was thinking maybe that was it? But the other ones I am not sure.
Alex You need to remember that Jarvis is a content writing assistant – a tool that you can use to help you create a range of different outputs. You get what you put in, but if you aren't checking the output before posting it on you website or adding your own edits, thoughts etc, then you aren't really using the tool in the right way.
Mew ✍️👑 » Alex The home page copy says it can write all my content for me, no? Alex » Mew If you order articles from a writer, wouldn't you read through them first before posting them? Same concept applies to the content that Jarvis provides. The content that you can get from the various templates with Jarvis is certainly usable and you can use it without needing to change anything, but with blog posts or articles, then you'd certainly need to do some proof reading first. Mew ✍️👑 » Alex I'm only discussing facts, not interpretations. The home page says it writes copy for me. Alex » Mew And if you use the various templates that it provides such as bold post ideas, content improver, etc then it does write copy for you. Guess it all comes down to which actual template or function (boss mode) you are using. Anyway, everyone has their own opinion and I totally respect yours, but I've been very happy with Jarvis and the output it's been providing me for the past 6 months. However, I don't think it's fair to dismiss a tool based on ones interpretation of what it says on the homepage of their website. Mew ✍️👑 » Alex I haven't dismissed it at all. I've been using it all day and posting excerpts above for people to review, based on their inquiries. At best, it's a content assistant that helps generate ideas, but it is factually wrong a lot of the time as it pertains to dates/times, uses scraped data, has very little emotional human context, doesn't have great transitional phrasing, is repetitive, and anyone with a high-school writing class could out-perform something that claims it can write for me. Again these are my thoughts. I appreciate you sharing yours so people looking over this thread can see contrasting views/opinions! Russo » Mew Not much of a Facebook poster but I like you what you stand for and I like your SEO group here, so I'll chime in in case my feedback helps you. I'm a Jarvis subscriber and I agree with you, Schieler, that Jarvis is repetitive, it's more of a content assistant, and that it's factually wrong a lot. But it does WRITE copy; just doesn't EDIT copy. So I'm cool with their lander saying that Jarvis WRITES copy. I write copy for a living and so the differences between WRITING and EDITING are night and day. Editing is where all the facts are fact-checked, transitions are put in and/or smoothed out, sentences are split up or combined or turned into a list of bullets…etc, etc, etc. Basically, editing is where the professionalism comes in. And Jarvis can't do that. Writing, well, that's literally just the action of putting the words down onto the page. And Jarvis does that to a degree that I accept (everyone's acceptance level is different and I respect that). That's the way I see copywriting ever since I read Bond Halbert's book on editing copy. Bond was the first copywriter (or copy coach) to publish a book on editing copy, and the book's only five years old so a lot of non-copywriters haven't heard of it I bet, hence me mentioning it now. (I'm a fan of Bond's family's copywriting style, but I'm not an affiliate). Hope this helps, man. Keep up the great work, dude 💪🏼.
Dale » Mew Did you write this post headline with Jarvis? LOL I think the marketing is a bit misleading; It does not write finished-quality long-form content for you. But we use it here for many things, and it has been a good tool for us. But, yes, it does require rewriting and really good editing because it does not spit out reliable factual data. But, especially if it's a technical nature like medical etc., it does well with topics like plumbing. To get a quality piece out, you need to have a well-researched topic, outline, and knowledge of the topic to nail it—a lot like writing from scratch. I get it you pride yourself on being a high-quality writer, so I understand your criticism of Jarvis's functionality. Still, I think you may be judging a bit too quickly without really diving in for an extended period of time and using the different templates. The templates like AIDA Framework, PAS framework, Review responder are great and save a ton of time for my staff. That being said, it will be abused, and people will use it without editing and fill the internet with terrible content similar to a content spinner.
Ann yes, we're using Jarvis and it is true, it seems to scrape content off of the internet, sometimes brand names are still on the copy it generates. Since discovering this, we've been using it only for us to generate ideas and to find different ways to present our thoughts, especially when, we, writers feel we have writer's block. Overall, you'll still need writers to write for you- especially if you're needing someone to write copy, not just content. And of course, someone to edit the copy the AI generates. 💟👍🏽2 Mike 🎩 I don't understand what Jarvis has to do with Search Engine Optimization (SEO)… Your new witch hunt group says it is about "SEO gurus". Jarvis is not an SEO product. 💟👍🏽2
Mew ✍️👑 » Mike Anything SEO users use in mass to perform "SEO", is an SEO product? You yourself said you use Jarvis to "rank content". Doesn't this in fact make it an SEO product? Mike 🎩 » Mew I also use writers. That doesn't make them an SEO product. I have never, ever said I use Jarvis to "rank content". I said I use it to generate content. I use Jarvis to create all kinds of content… everything from blog posts to Facebook posts to ad headlines, but it doesn't advertise itself as an SEO product. 💟👍🏽2 Mew ✍️👑 » Mike Thank you for correcting me and your own outlook/ what you said! In addition, neither do citation resource checkers. Neither does GMB. Neither do a lot of things that SEO users use…that doesn't mean it's not used by SEO users or seen as tools for SEO, so why would it not be reviewed for SEO? I do appreciate your input, however!
Mew ✍️👑 Update – just upgraded to Boss Mode to see if I can get more out of this tool, to expand on my account of its use.
Mew ✍️👑 Trying to use a recipe sent to me by a group member…here is what Jarvis wrote for me (between the red blocks) when given an audience, a motivation, and a product.🤔
Marco » Mew Yeah 😕 in it's defense you have to generate anything in gpts a few times to nail the correct output, which adds a layer of proof reading and trial and error for every single time you set it to generate something. And even when it spits out the "correct" content you still have to proofread and edit it to correct facts. And even THEN it shouldn't be used for anything humans actually read since it's boring plain content that would make users bounce instantly. It has it's uses, not the ones it claims to have. Mew ✍️👑 » Marco I'm really trying to like it 😅 Mew ✍️👑 » Marco Quality in just a few clicks eh?
Marco » Mew Hey a few can be 50 clicks and an average wait time of 20 minutes for a good output. For someone with nothing to do all day that sounds like a bargain! 😀 🤭2
Altman Seems like it wasnt able to see what you wrote prior? Look back didn't work? Try cmd+j I think. Normally I just prime it with a few words and use the short sentence. I stay away from long and only rarely use medium. The intent with OpenAI is that we should type slightly between each sentence but this team recently added some tech to allow you to just keep mashing the content button. I sometime do that but normally edit a bit as I go. Anyways, not sure if the command would help. Not sure why it added the asterisks. Normally three *** blocks the look back. But yeah it creates some odd things at times haha. I just delete and move on. I personally don't use these receipts or at least not yet. I just prime with a few words, potentially do small edit and keep going. I personally find its better for filling out content directly under a header with ## infront of header. From that I lay out a skeleton brief and hammer away. Not sure if this helps.
Mew ✍️👑 » Altman I tried a plethora of things, and we finally did get it to write something about gaming chairs, but it just copied what was in my intro, Sitting here messing with this tool, is causing me more frustration than to just write about the topic. I suppose if I didn't REALLY know about the topic, it may help provide a general direction, but so far, it seems to be more painstaking than just writing the article manually.
Altman » Schieler Not sure where you started. It does look like it just copied though on this. I was certainly frustrated or slow at first until I got the idea. I just don't personally use it like that. I want to go faster. Typing out that long command seems like to much work. I just prime it, feed the api and get it going. All this is is feeding openAi api with new words to predict output. So I just feed it a few tokens at a time. But maybe this method works for some peeps. Mew ✍️👑 » Altman Yeah, I'm just not really sold on it. Keeps repeating its self and doing wonky stuff. Like I said, If I had no clue about a topic it could help, maybe, but mostly because I don't know any better. I'm feeding it topics I do know about, and could freely write about for thousands of words, and I'm just not that impressed. I'll keep messing with it
Altman » Schieler Yeah… maybe do an easier topic? Just for testing? Maybe how to make a healthy salad? Just start basic. But I agree, openAI is clunky. I just type a few words or things and let it finish my sentences. I find that can help with teaching the bot. I know there are better bots coming. Jarvis is just a connector to OpenAI. They don't actually generate any of this. They are just an API connector with a web interface to help automate commands. But take all that away and its just passing words as tokens to OpenAi. Mike 🎩 Stop using the article brief. Leave that blank. You will get better results. Mew ✍️👑 » Mike Someone said the opposite. I will try both 🙂 Altman » Schieler It's clearly testing your IQ by telling you IQ doesn't matter hahaha… off to a great start haha #FML 🤣 🤭1
Brian Lack of training keeps people from getting good results early on. Jarvis has a Bootcamp people can go through (free) that takes them thru each template and shows them how to get the best results. Just an fyi.
Altman » Brian I don't think its lack of training. It just takes time to get how the bot works and be ok if it creates some crazy rando shit that doesnt make sense haha. It has had major errors. Its not perfect but that doesnt mean its not useful. If anyone says training solves the crazy out put then that's not correct. Hope you can agree. Training is good but also understanding its got issues we need to allow for is also helpful. Brian » Altman Don't disagree. My main point is someone cannot objectively evaluate the tool until they first know how to use it properly. Training helps take care of that. Agree not all of the output is relevant… and some of it is just plain nuts. However, producing multiple output frequently results in revealing areas of a topic I can pursue that I alone might not have considered. Proper expectations are important, too. It does not create SEO-optimized content. Most in the Jarvis FB group are not SEO users. The integration with SEO Surfer helps optimize the content. It is not a research tool. It is a content creation assistant. Content it creates is often not factually correct and always needs fact-checked. (The inaccurate pieces can be used as placeholders for accurate pieces.) At the same time, it does a great job with many things: product descriptions, review responses, titles, content rewrites, writing approaches (ideas), and simple blog posts (think supporting articles). At the same time, it doesn't matter to me if anybody else uses it or not. It works for what I do and makes content creation much simpler. I am also not an affiliate for the product altho it would be pretty easy cashflow. That's just not where I focus my time.
