This Guy Had Got Employees to Build Up His Sites

Lieven
I have all my 500 domains on 1 dns record. These are 10 companies I own and their product sites: 1 address 1 name on 500 dns records. Also I show my 10 company addresses on each of the 500 sites. Till medic updat august 2018 no problem. When we went down 20% my smart programmers thought Google doesnt like all those different hostings and Ip addresses. They read Googles webmaster guidlines and started putting all domains on the same hosting and ip address. This was a little too much for google, I needed to dismiss 30 of my 45 employees because of ranking drop. How to solve this situation? Any auction site I put my company name or address on gets immediately lower ranked. I also own the 10 buildings of my 10 companies in 10 different countries and we thought playing the transparency white hat card would keep our good reputation with Google. Lots of big Corporation struggling with Google seeing their Corporate Blog Network as a Pbn. Most of them react by selling off their domain assets in 2019. (GSK, Danone). How to solve my situation?

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Lieven
✍️ Yes i have 500 product groups and a website for each il-1, il-2, il-3, … all human genes.👍2
Paul
Wow, 500…👍2

Lieven ✍️ » Paul
thats the easy part 10 conpanies are more expensive, its 10 000 usd a year each company accounting, building 100 000- 500 000 usd, employees 50 000 to 150 000 usd a year.👍2
Paul
You're as busy as Bezos, if not more and look like him too. Kudos, Sir!
Lieven
✍️ Great compliment.
Paul
Welcome 🙂.

Balda
Must be your spam content. Can't imagine how you could have unique content for each gene il-1, il-2, etc which has its own website. Probably thin content?👍1

Lieven ✍️ » Balda
with 45 employees thin content? As most seo you dont realise who you are speaking to.
Balda
Well, if you are as BIG as you think you are, then you and your 45 employees should have brainstormed something that might have prevented what happened to your sites or remedied what happened to these sites.
With limited information and faulty communication here, yes we all do not realize who we're talking to. 😆.👍2

Matan
What if you try to put all your content just on 10 website, one site for each company, and then categories inside? Just use your 10 best ranking websites for this.👍4

Hussain » Matan
while your suggestion is favoring the authority of website, I will stick to relevancy compared to authority for 2 simple reasons.
1. Google algorithms favor relevancy over Authority.
2. By ranking multiple websites for same business or it’s categories will give SERP Monopoly and more visibility.👍1
Lieven
✍️ My SOA start of autority is 1 company name, my own owner name, my own credit card address.

Travis
If you don't have privacy move host and order privacy on each domain. If you have opportunity to combine some sites where it makes sense that will help. You can 301 2-3 sites into one of most traffic is gone. You have to do something to alter the footprint and then have Google recrawl your sites.

Lieven ✍️ » Travis
only 5 % of the real web has privacy, if your links come from over 15% privacy sites this looks very suspect to Googles algorhytm.
Travis » Lieven
no it doesn't. What looks suspect is if the links are coming from the same person. If you're really worried about that add links that aren't your PBN links like you should be doing anyways.
Lieven ✍️ » Travis
yes but facebook has a trillion links coming from mark zuckerberg and they have more than 1 domain.
Travis » Lieven
I'm not here to argue with you, you already screwed up. Your sites have already been marked. So the best option is going to try to salvage them. Which may be able to do by making it look like there was a Change of ownership. That's why you try to add privacy and will most likely need to 301 redirect to a new domain.

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Costa
I think the key thing to remember here is that it doesn't matter whether you own 5000 sites or 150 buildings.
There are webmasters who own more than 500 sites in their pbn networks, and the #1 rule is: don't leave a footprint.
I Don't know the exact nature of what each of your sites seeks to accomplish, but let us assume that you first agree to stop listing all the 10 companies' names and addresses on all the 500 sites( that's similar to a linkwheel method), then I would say the next step would be to only link relevant product sites back to it's respective company site.
In your footers, make sure you write something like " All rights reserved by (name of parent company).
If all else fails, examine the company websites and see if the traffic is sufficient to having them around. If it's just for posterity, create one parent company website that features all ten company brands on it, each company can additionally have its own subdomain within the parent company domain.
Additional things you should do, create profiles on relevant and popular social media for the parent company, and have the url in every bio.
There are third party tools for Instagram that even allows your bio to have more than 10 to 20 urls in it.
Social profile binding creates authenticity. If your hosting registration info is the same as the parent company, even better.
I think moving hosts and ips at this point is far too late, because Google will notice the high number of sites being moved all at once.👍💗4

Lieven
✍️ Costa we istalled livechat on all websites for people bying my stuf and this seems to be the start of the falldown. Chatsoftware as pbn footprint. I agree moving dns records around too fast for that its too late now. Moreover some say same ips and same dns host isnt a problem. While moving my programmers did some 301s for pages lost … that should have been 410 because google sees this as soft 404 and is 404ing my main websites. Someone told just build up a complete new pbn without footprints. That seems the easiest an cheapest to me.
Costa » Lieven
, if there's a already a footprint of any kind, any kind of new pbn clusters you build to link back to your money sites won't have the desired effect. Google may not have given your money sites a manual penalty for unnatural linking, but it's possible your pbns already have it( if it's a pbn you probably didn't install webmaster console).
Personally , I have been penalized for unnatural linking this year myself.
After clearing the penalty, I decided to just set up a new brand and domain with changes to the business model, and have my old money site domain pages all redirected to it's homepage, and then replacing the content to say " We have moved to this new domain, and we are now known as such and such" – added a cta button for visitors to click to proceed to new site.
Of course my situation is different from yours, but I stand by what I suggested to you in my first comment.
Your business already doesn't look natural with that much linkwheel style of interlinking, and you already admitted that there's a footprint.
IPs and hosts can be a problem , and no one will ever know because we aren't privy to such information as consumers, but Google is a domain registrar, which grants them access to all such info.
If I were you, I'd do what I suggested to you, and then if you can still afford it, build a fresh pbn cluster but use it to link back in a different manner, such as to Tier 1 content like guest posts or social profiles, so your money site stays safe.
Lieven ✍️ » Costa
tier 1 linking is great, I ll do that and I build a new pbn. I have every day customers emailing me, doenst Google sees I get 500 real emails a day? And I send 500 too.

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George
Spread your domains between several different registrars, get private whois for all of them.
Spread your sites around as many hosting companies as you can. Definitively fire the guy who told you to put them on the same damn IP.
This is SEO/PBN 2012 knowledge… Don't leave a footprint.👍2

Ounas
They actually bought different ip addresses but all of them are in Poland.
Lieven
✍️ On the same dns server domain.online. All pbns fell down in 2012 we didn start falling till august 2018. 5 % of the real web has privacy, if your links come from over 15% privacy sites this looks very suspect to Googles algorhytm.
George » Lieven
then just randomize the whois 🙂.👍1
Lieven ✍️ » George
yes I think thats leagal to call the site owner Polo or Golf instead of VW and put the employee name that devellops that car insteadvof the CEO. Maybe just need to put that employees home street but in Whois I see only brand name and region, not street nor persons name.
Lieven
✍️ Some persons say it are too much 301s and medic words nothing to do with my records paranoia. Anyway I will try randomising in a small scale first. I buy now auction and rank with 10 minutes my long tails low volume keywords. So I take your advice very seriouse. Why cannt I rank my own sites anymore?

Aaron
IP, shared ns is a red herring don't waste your time on it.👍4

Lieven ✍️ » Aaron
If you say that something is a red herring, you mean that it is not important and it takes your attention away from the main subject or problem you are considering like 301s where there need to be 410s?👍1
Aaron » Lieven
yes. soft 404 error was just a comment contained to the subject of what to do when building out a domain that might have pages with links you don't want.👍2
Lieven ✍️ » Aaron
well we have it on my own domains while moving and losing pages. My sites where quiet complicated to move since their content was on multiple servers. Sites with over 10 000 000 pages.

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Pavel
do not link them each other? no follow, sponsored links? the situation u describe is strange, i would understand one website and each brand/ buolding subdomain with the different content / product….if understood this is structure issue because misread google guideline….or pls correct me this is interesting topic.

Ounas
On some websites, the same database was deployed … with some changes … but for million products … it was automated changes … I suppose, now easily detected by google. Also thousands of do follow links sometimes millions with exact match anchors. Same addresses, same phones, same emails …. All moved by our developpers in three months to the same hosting "citycore" very slow. A lot of 5xx errors on search console. All websites are very often down at the same time. On different ip addresses … but all Polish ips.
Pavel » Ounas
sounds not good, u need to audit situation from technical point of view, define new structure and set the step by step what need to be done….seems your site is not in acceptable condition, and longer you wait, the higher cost.

Kevin
I've seen a few of your sites. Most are thin content, duplicates of the rest. I'd say ,focus on your main site, 301 the rest to your main site. Create more content, yadiyadi you know the drill 🙂.

Lieven ✍️ » Kevin
301s give soft 404 and that is one of the main reasons Google to 404 completely lot of my sites. My comtent is unique since we devellop the products ourselves..
Kevin
I'm sure developers can come up with a list of the most visited urls, redirecting to the correct urls.👍1

Ounas
On some websites, the same database was deployed … with some changes … but for million products … it was automated changes … I suppose, now easily detected by google. Also thousands of do follow links sometimes millions with exact match anchors. Same addresses, same phones, same emails …. All moved by our developpers in three months to the same hosting "citycore" very slow. A lot of 5xx errors on search console. All websites are very often down at the same time. On different ip addresses … but all Polish ips.👍1

Lieven ✍️ » Ounas
99% match amchors, indeed a problem.

Ounas
Now these developpers are working on an API to automatically display products on those websites with a wordpress plugin. They said that they are sure Google don't see it. They tryed it on a first website, it went up and when deployed on a second one, the first one went down. Then, they try it on a third one. Now, Google is not indexing the API products for any of the three websites.👍1

Lieven ✍️ » Ounas
its a fact any site they touch is tanking down.

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Ounas
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Mike
Without a hell of a lot more information and time spent in analysing that information it is impossible to see where all your problems are and whether its possible to resolve any of them.👍1

Lieven ✍️ » Mike
I posted my site in a group and since got lots of negative Seo and cheap seo companies asking every week how its going, we can help.
Mike
Understood but posting anywhere will also get the same reaction. Seems to me that you are making knee jerk reactions which are only making whatever the underlying problems are worse.Someone says is not the answer to your problems..👍1

Lieven
✍️ We installed livechat on all websites for people buying my stuf and this seems to be the start of the falldown. Chatsoftware as pbn footprint. I agree moving dns records around too fast can be dangerous too. Maybe for that its too late now. Moreover some say same ips and same dns host is NOT a problem. While moving my programmers did some 301s for pages lost … that should have been 410 because google sees this as soft 404 and is 404-ing my main websites. Someone told just build up a complete new pbn without footprints. That seems the easiest an cheapest to me.
Morris
Let me get this straight, you’ve put “1 address 1 name on 500 dns records” for 10 companies. Then your super smart programmers (I am assuming from India) moved all the different hosting and different ip addresses to one hosting entity… and you are wondering why your sites are not ranking now??? I’ll give you my expert advice (FREE of charge!) This is a PBN and it’s exactly what Google don’t want you to do. Congratulations, you’ve been marked, you’re on their radar now, you’re f* no matter what you do. That is, if you keep using the same domains and identities. All “G” see is this… 10 companies 500 domains. (doggy as f*) AND then you geniuses moved all your sh!t to a single hosting company. (Just made it easy for Google) you would never say to a cop… yes sir, I was speeding on this street. F* Me.
How to fix this. You have to restart again. There is no easy fix on this princes. Your staff had the right structure idea, but they failed when they exposed your network and algomated all your sites. The architecture has to be set up as their own separate entities, with different independent hosting. I’ll give an example, one of the most direct relevant precedent is the Auto industry. The structure IS a PBN (white-hat) the manufacturer (mother site) and their subsidiary/franchises (small sites) own by separate entities correlate each other. The manufacturer reference this by “find a dealer” (link to the small sites), the franchise implicates “official dealer” (links back to the manufacturer). The other option I would do is, set up GMB for each company, your people should be able to rank these in 2 days (I can confirmed this). If they can’t fire them. I don’t know many companies that can sustain the current economical environment waiting around for months to rank. Pls don’t contact me, as I don’t have time. Good luck.
P.S Livechat is not the cause, I can also confirm that.👍3

Lieven
✍️ Morris the programmers are Polish. We do Gmb but added the same main site to the 10 addresses. I was thinking of making 50 gmbs per each of the 10 real address we own and change the dns records to the domain email, street and put as owner organisation each of the 500 domain names. Would that still be white hat? And maybe put the name of a local employee as contact instead of 500 x my own name.
Ounas
We can have only one GMB account for one address. If we claim the same address for a second GMB and verify it, the first GMB will be invalidated. Lieven.
what you are suggesting is impossible. You need 500 verifyed addresses for 500 different GMB accounts.

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Leon
I told you months ago I had already seen many many things wrong within 5 minutes looking at your site, duplicate content, https config issues, extremely thin content were just a few I remember. I'm going to PM you man.👍5
Jason
Is this guy for real? He is on here asking for help for his 10 companies in 10 different countries with allegedly half $1 million overhead on each of them, and at the same time he says as with most SEO you don’t know who you’re talking to. At the same time he said he had to fire 35 people. So I guess I’m talking to someone who will go on a random Facebook page, tell everyone big numbers, and still maintain their attitude about you don’t know who you’re talking to.👍💗5

Balda » Jason
You hit that right! With limited info and faulty communication, he is telling people here we do not 'realize' who we're talking to. Lol.
He has 45 heads working for him and not to realize to randomize their whois info for 500 domains they have. Sites that we can suspect might have thin content.
Most of all, the attitude he has to people trying to help despite the limited info we have. Unbelievable!👍1
Lieven
✍️ I had only 5 programmers and 35 biologists 5 logisticians. You are as dumb as Google. My facebook displays lots of real pictures.🤭1
Lieven
✍️ But its also strange 5 well paid programmers didnt get the seo right. It is still unclear even in this group weather a white hat corporation can put 500 sites in the same start of authority soa records. About Seo, I am in al large meetings smx , seocamp and I start knowing more people that look into the problem that in general big corporations are easily beaten by small linking entities. Also half of you say my on page is thin and others my off page is thin. We are working on both but for 10 000 000 items thats not just seo for "plumbing"
Jason » Lieven
that’s a great attitude and excellent way to appreciate everyone for their help to you. Dumb as google. Love it!!!👍🤭2
Lieven
✍️ Jason dont take it personally, I tend to fight with people at every seo meeting. They ask me why should you be first. I know I should and others should but google puts blackhat or nohat first. I started to be first in 1996 till 2018. There is a certain type of corporate whitehat non popular in Google.
Balda » Jason
I love to be as dumb as Google. With 500 sites having the same whois info, sites probably not giving enough value to the visitors, same plugins, I'd love to be as 'dumb as Google' to penalize his sites. Most programmers don't care about SEO, imho. If you're that BIG, you do realize you should've hired an experienced SEO professional, even an agency, to prevent penalties from happening.👍2
Jason » Lieven
I can understand that you fight with a lot of people. I’m not really interested in fighting. I’m not taking it personally. There is no difference between white hat and black hat in reality, there’s only algorithms. Behind that, are humans tweaking the algorithms. So all I’m saying is since there’s humans are involved, and it seems like you have a lot of people trying to help you, maybe just be a little nice?👍2
Lieven
✍️ Balda white hat means you dont hide who you are right? I own 500 sites why hide this. I was proud of it.
Jason » Lieven
this conversation is deteriorating. You can be proud of whatever you want to. Whatever you’re doing isn’t working. So when you walk into a place with your hat in your hand looking for help, it’s probably best to leave your pride out of it. Swallow a little humble pie. Doesn’t taste great, you should learn a lot more that way. Anyway best of luck.👍1
Balda » Lieven
When you have thin content, sites not giving enough value, you probably have to hide info to prevent penalties.
Who would own 500 domains when you could just have 10 to 20 sites that can contain all the info you want to convey. Basic PBN rules apply.👍💗2
Ounas
These are Google rules. You should follow them Lieven ✍️.
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Jason » Balda
you are spot on. He’s been told that at least a dozen times in this thread. Let it marinate in his mind. He’s probably just really emotional right now because he’s losing money and can’t figure it out.👍💗3

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Vermeer
Well, no more listening to programmers at least!💟1

Lieven ✍️ » Vermeer
so all 6 from 2018 are replaced by 4 new, who still dont know Seo.
George » Lieven
yes because you need to hire an seo expert if you want seo done, not a developer.
Do you order a custom cake from a baker or from a hairstylist?
Lieven ✍️ » George
1000 $/month for someone telling me Eat but sending 50 $ backlinks?
Vermeer » Lieven
get a good SEO in house. It'll cost ya, but wayy less than what it already has cost.
Balda
Obviously, you can't do SEO by just focusing on backlinks only. Someone with enough experience in PBNs will give you warnings about how to handle 500 domains with the same whois info. Unless you have THAT MANY authority domains, you wouldn't be safe.👍2
Lieven ✍️ » Balda
yes pbn knowledge is needed here even more than Seo. Howver the best pbn owners think its my technical seo, no silos that made the ship sink. I m starting all over and finding back sucesses with auction.👍1

Kennan
Give me one page that used to get tons of traffic. I will give you exact info for your programmers to implement and rank it properly. When it gets back to 1 you can put me on retainer for 10k a month and I'll do the rest. F*ck all this hosting malarkey.👍💟4

Lieven ✍️ » Kennan
I have 10 000 000 pages a site and I have 10 sites like this.👍1
Kennan » Lieven
understood… within analytics… give me the page that dropped that got the most traffic before… did you not have any major pages? Was all the traffic distributed on tons of pages?
Lieven ✍️ » Kennan
i had 15 000 000 indexed pages of the 100 000 000 submitted.🤯1

Mike
Forget the past and put in plain English what you want to achieve, in what products/niches, business to business or consumer, and countries/ marketplaces, timeframe and your budget, then you may start to get somewhere.👍1
Lieven
✍️ To all ugly tier 3 Seos: I am not gonna be your customer.
Ugly tier 3 Seos: they send ugly links on your tier 2 if you pay them and ugly links to your money sites if you dont pay. They call every week " how is your ranking Mister Lieven" I answer great and I hear them thinking " Damm that negative Seo still didnt work?"😆👍3
Kevin
Goddamn this post has turned into a shit show.👍💟2

Lieven ✍️ » Kevin
just disavow.💟1

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